Timeline for How do European countries notice if I'm spending more than 6 months in a country as not resident (for taxes purposes)?
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| Apr 16 at 7:40 | comment | added | aneuryzm | @phoog In my case, the destination would be an island. But yes, it could be via ferry too. But again, I was stressing the point that they won't check. | |
| Apr 15 at 19:49 | comment | added | phoog | @aneuryzm "the only way to prove would be to ask airlines to provide the data": air travel is not the only way to cross a border. Even if one or more airlines has a record of your flying from France to Spain in January and from Spain to France in December, that doesn't necessarily show that you were in Spain for 11 months. | |
| Apr 15 at 8:04 | comment | added | MJeffryes | @o.m. Yes, as Relaxed points on, in my specific example it does not involve filling out forms. Your employer knows where you live and delivers tax to the correct authority. As does your bank for that matter. Many (perhaps most?) of these potential loopholes have been filled for most feasible living arrangements. | |
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| Apr 14 at 4:46 | comment | added | o.m. | @Relaxed, the question was about "two European countries, e.g. France and Spain." I presumed that means EU and Schengen, but not necessarily those two. | |
| Apr 13 at 18:47 | comment | added | Relaxed | Also, the A1 document is an EU thing and is nothing specific to Germany (inherently cannot be: its entire purpose is either for Germany to inform other EU countries that someone is covered or to check that a resident from another EU country has coverage, which is why it need to be standardized). Again very confusing to bring that up in a question on France and Spain. | |
| Apr 13 at 18:45 | comment | added | Relaxed | To the extent that you really feel you have to have to mention immigration law as well (even though it's not the question) then a simple reminder at the end that staying 6 months straight in Spain on a French residence permit would also be clearer and more relevant than this very contrived notion of “covertly” crossing the border every day. | |
| Apr 13 at 18:43 | comment | added | Relaxed | @o.m. That's not the point, it's a completely different subject. The question always was and still is about taxes. You erroneously pretended that crossing the border every day is in itself breaking the rules and now you have to add a lot of hypotheses and irrelevant considerations to find some reason to justify your original mistake. None of this is really improving your answer. It would be much clearer and better if you just edited out all of this and focused on addressing the OP's situation. | |
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| Apr 13 at 13:25 | comment | added | o.m. | @Relaxed, this was originally asked in Travel SE, now it is in Expatriates. In neither it is a given that the person in question is an EU/EEA citizen, and that brings national long-term visa and 90/180 into play. | |
| Apr 13 at 12:26 | comment | added | Relaxed | Incidentally, in the example raised by @MJeffryes you don't need to tell the authorities anything, in canton Geneva employers withhold income tax for French residents and will collect all your info and report it to the authorities. It's fine not to know but why make stuff up and write a hand-wavy comment about “tax forms” when you clearly have no idea about the way things work in this particular situation? | |
| Apr 13 at 12:26 | comment | added | Relaxed | I think the point about cross-border travel is really just muddying the waters and unrelated to the question. What rule is being broken if you cross the border everyday? The question is explicitly about residing in another country and the residence of a cross-border worker is well defined. | |
| Apr 13 at 10:51 | comment | added | aneuryzm | @o.m. Yes true. I'm very aware of that. The reason why I'm asking this is that I'm planning to spend less than 6 months abroad overall, so no intention to violate the law. But it could happen that I have to come back 1 month more, so in that case I would need to do papers. | |
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| Apr 13 at 3:51 | comment | added | o.m. | @aneuryzm, landlords registering tenants is a national rule. But remember, tax evasion is usually a crime, and if a criminal investigation starts they have more tools at their disposal than just asking the airline. | |
| Apr 12 at 19:16 | vote | accept | aneuryzm | ||
| Apr 12 at 19:13 | comment | added | aneuryzm | @o.m. Thanks for your reply. It is indeed as I thought. I was thinking that landlords surely need to register tenants, but I can also rent a place and leave it for a month and keep paying the rent. So the only way to prove would be to ask airlines to provide the data. In any case, this check will unlikely happen unless something bad happens. | |
| Apr 12 at 18:44 | comment | added | o.m. | @MJeffryes, yes, but that would involve telling the authorities and filing the requisite tax forms. The OP seems to assume that one keeps it secret. | |
| Apr 12 at 15:01 | comment | added | MJeffryes | If you legitimately live near one of the Schengen internal borders, for practical purposes you can cross every day and get away with breaking the rules. in areas where cross border commuting is common, employers/localities have agreements to direct taxes correctly (eg Geneva/Annemasse) | |
| Apr 12 at 14:59 | history | answered | o.m. | CC BY-SA 4.0 |